“Are the deaths in rest homes etc. not counted in official statistics in the UK?”

“Surely that cannot be correct -- deaths in the homes must have a death certificate”

Reply to reader ‘Ross’, from the Brexit Facts4EU.Org team

Dear Ross, thank you for your question which you posted below our article yesterday, in response to a post from a critical reader.

According to the latest week of data we have from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) of deaths involving the Coronavirus, 92.9% occurred in hospital with the remainder occurring in hospices, care homes and private homes. Naturally the ONS counts all deaths wherever they take place, as all deaths in the UK must be registered.

The problem here is the time it takes to get a death certificate into the system.

Here’s a quick explainer

The ONS now publishes a weekly death report, which covers all deaths no matter where they took place.

To make the picture more confusing for people, the Dept of Health also puts out daily figures for deaths "with Coronavirus". These are the ones which exclude non-hospital deaths, but the non-hospital deaths currently account for only 7.1% of total deaths "with Coronavirus" in all locations.

We were the first to call on the Government to issue a daily tally of ALL deaths as well as deaths "with Coronavirus". We felt people should have this basic information in order to have a sense of the seriousness or otherwise of Coronavirus.

We secured a partial victory in getting weekly totals, but sadly these weekly figures always lag behind the current reality. Nevertheless we publish the weekly figures as soon as we get them.

Our next report on this will be tomorrow.

FOR NEWER READERS If you would like to read our Coronavirus summaries to date, there is a list of them in this article available free here.

Some of the charts put up by Sky and the BBC even confuse us, and we deal with statistics all day long.

We spend considerable time trying to condense information into “at a glance” charts and bullet points. We know people do not have time to study a single chart for several minutes to work out what it’s telling them.

Observations

Let’s face it, none of us really like to talk about death

Aside from the obvious fact that it reminds us of our own mortality, many people have recently experienced the loss of a loved one. This is certainly true of members of our team, who have lost close family members through one of the top three killer diseases in the UK.

In normal times readers do not encounter many articles about death rates – it’s not a subject that has traditionally been known to sell more newspapers. (Or encourage more donations to a hardworking team like ours.)

We’ll leave you with a question

Every day the BBC tells us how many people have died “with Coronavirus”. Does any reader know how many deaths take place each year from cancer? Or dementia? Or heart disease?

We do. And the numbers will shock you.

P.S. Please don’t answer! Our question is rhetorical. We’ll answer it ourselves in an article tomorrow, with one of our famous “at-a-glance” charts which convey basic information so effectively.

P.P.S. We are also working on serious reports regarding the threat to delay the end of the Brexit Transition Period “because of the Coronavirus”. We absolutely must stop the insidious and growing moves by the Remoaner-Rejoiner Establishment once again to seize on any excuse to thwart a full and true Brexit.

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Reader Comments 9

1. Abbie , Monday, April 13, 2020, 07:01:

If only - but the media make it up as they go along for the fear factor.

2. Not4EU, London , Monday, April 13, 2020, 08:37:

In the only week to have shown a small 'excess' in deaths in the more accurate ONS figures, the percentage relating to flu, pneumonia AND covid19 listed as a cause of death is STILL below the average.
"In Week 13, 18.8% of all deaths mentioned “Influenza or Pneumonia”, COVID-19, or both. In comparison, for the five-year average, 19.6% of deaths mentioned “Influenza and Pneumonia”."
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peop...
When one considers that any tenuous link is being used to attribute a death to kung flu, the real numbers of those dying 'of' this virus will be fewer. How many of the other deaths are 'because of' the virus because of cancelled treatments? How many are contracting the virus IN hospital?
The only conclusion that I can draw from the figures, actions & reality plus the hysterical lying MSM is the promotion of fear, in order to remove liberties & control. How very EU.
We see a Health Minister who appears to have abandoned the tenets of fundamental democracy & liberty, publicly issuing threats & bullying, with encouragement to the police to enforce his 'wishes' not the actual law. A task that they appear to be enforcing with relish, and to only certain sections of the community. The very definition of a totalitarian state. Have they been set targets for fines, as with other 'cash cows' fines, eg motorists?
Whilst people are under house arrest, the borders remain open with no checks.
Businesses that could operate with precautions, eg garden centres & others, are closed.
Talk of tracking apps, & whipping up fear to engender a stampede for a 'miraculous' vaccine that will contain chips.
It sounds very much like the senior Snivel serpents are still not working in the interests of this country & are still driving an EU agenda. It is even more important that we leave the EU properly & cleanly now.

3. Jon, Wales , Monday, April 13, 2020, 13:09:

As an aside.
Whatever happens during these challenging times to slow/stop the spread of this nasty virus, or how bad things appear to be at present, we must not take our eye off the 'Brexit ball' we fought so hard to get.
Remoaners are continuously - and increasingly - spouting pro-EU agenda across social media, yet those same whinging remainers say nothing of the fact that many EU member countries have revisited their own national identity AND borders.
I live in hope this particular coronavirus puts an abrupt end to the EU construct as sovereign nations realise they don't need to pay to be friendly and trade together. They don't need to pay their taxes to support an out of touch and extremely expensive construct outside of their own countries. They don't need laws imposed upon them by foreign unelected bureaucrats, unaccountable to no-one but themselves.
The EU have broken their own 'rules' many times as it suits them, yet expect everyone else to do as they say.
All countries can be generous, but not at the expense of their own citizens who should come first.
Like many in our country, I have a family member working on the NHS 'front line' of whom I'm rightly proud, and it isn't pretty just now, but we have to keep things in perspective as many more people die from annual flu each year.
Certainly, it is long overdue that our National Health Service can be FULLY recognised - and the NHS is the 'jewel' in our crown?
I completely understand the fear factor of something new which scientists are still learning about, but I suggest this virus will be with us for years ahead, and we can't keep countries on 'lockdown' forever.
CAVEAT: I take nothing away from those whom have suffered or lost loved ones, and my heart goes out to you. In the same way, I never expected our country to go on lockdown when I lost my mother from an entirely different, yet horrendous and widespread disease!
Keep safe everyone, and wash your hands with soap and water - often.

4. Lainey , Monday, April 13, 2020, 16:23:

The deaths at home and anywhere else but hospital are not counted in those daily totals we are getting. The complete picture will only be on THE ONS website but I have no idea how often that data is updated.
FROM THE BREXIT FACTS4EU.ORG TEAM
The ONS data you refer to is updated weekly and we provided the latest percentage in our article, for deaths in care homes and at home. The new data will be released this morning and we will cover this when it appears.

5. James Bertram , Monday, April 13, 2020, 17:08:

I note that recovery from coronavirus is 'not applicable' in the UK on worldometer's Covid-19 report site - the only health service in the entire world where recovery is not applicable - what's Boris got to say about that? And Mr Handcock?

6. Peter S , Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 05:08:

What really annoyed me ! It’s saying that cancer patients are being ignored so that virus patients can be treated . If this is true ? Then it’s disgusting ! Billions & billions of pounds have have been donated to cancer treatment, So these people should not be ignored. If this turns out to be true I’m afraid donations will dramatically drop.

7. Daphne , Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 05:11:

And the media doesn’t need to go on and on and on and on and on about it. We are intelligent people in Britain, we should be treated so.

8. Concerned , Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 05:32:

The whole of this virus saga and the way countries have been locked down stinks.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
The vdeo I link to is very relevant to all of this. The narrator is a South African who has lived and worked in China for ages. He knows what he talks about unlike the British establishment.

9. Ross , Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 08:22:

Thanks for the explanation guys.

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