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£4,300 WORSE OFF BY 2030?
The facts about the ridiculed Treasury Report and claims
UK steel jobs "We have to be very careful because we have these [EU] state aid rules" - Minister
In the Eurozone, you are
twice as likely to be unemployed...
Cost of EU Migrants' Benefit Claims
Polish President of EU Council Tusk It was £3.4 billion in the year 2013/2014. The article is below.
The UK made laws to protect you
before we joined the EU...
EU - Acting for EU Workers?
ILO The International Labour Organisation says collective bargaining rights in EU countries have been reduced.
We explain Mr Osborne’s extraordinary claims in normal language.

We've read his 202 page Treasury report so you don't have to. Below we give a summary in a way that most normal people like us would understand things.
  1. Mr Osborne claims you’ll lose £4,300 per year per household by 2030.
  2. Per person that’s £1,800, but this sounds less so he doesn’t mention that.
  3. The £4,300 figure is 'GDP per household'. This is NOT 'income per household'.
  4. No-one uses 'GDP per household' - not even the Treasury before now. GDP is a measure of national income - that's nothing like personal income.
  5. Mr Osborne's claims are based on predictions for 2030 – no-one in the financial world forecasts that far in advance. (Even the Treasury's latest 6-month forecasts were wrong by £27 billion.)
  6. Critically, Mr Osborne doesn't admit that national income will still rise if we leave, even with his own figures.
  7. He's really saying you'll still be better off in 2030 with Brexit, but in his view not as much.
  8. The report was produced by Treasury civil servants. The public used to rely on their impartiality. All that has changed and the Head of the Civil Service has confirmed that they're backing the Government case.
  9. Mr Osborne's claims in the Treasury Report are based on hundreds of assumptions which favour the Remain case. And the Report even assumes immigration will be an extra 3m people - way above the Government's target of 'tens of thousands per year'.
  10. Even with his unusual calculations, his apocalyptic version of Brexit still shows :
National income growth per person very similar to remaining in the EU. (See chart.)
So, even if you don't believe anyone these days (no reason you should), at least you now know that even with Mr Osborne's own 15 year forecasts your income won't fall by £4,300 per household if you vote to leave the EU.
It's your choice. We think the British Public know when they can smell a rat.
We'll leave the last word to the BBC's Political Editor, Laura Kuenssberg, yesterday:
"If Osborne believes all that,
did he REALLY mean it when he said he'd be ready to leave EU
if UK didn't get renegotiation?"
Note to Editors: We can provide details of the calculations, and source material from the Treasury Report and the IMF, to back our chart and assertions.
[Sources: Treasury website: https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/hm-treasury | Treasury report: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hm-treasury-analysis-the-long-term-economic-impact-of-eu-membership-and-the-alternatives | IMF (approved by Mr Osborne last week) World Economic Outlook Database, April 2016 |
EU THREAT TO UK STEEL INDUSTRY IN CRISIS..........................................      30 MAR - 01 APR 2016
1. Tata Steel has reportedly been losing £1m per day for 5 years, thanks to energy costs driven up by EU green energy directives and Chinese dumping of excess capacity in Europe.

2. EU rules prevent public support or US style anti-dumping Tariffs to help steel companies in difficulty. US steel tariffs against China are 236% vs a 9% limit imposed by the EU.

3. Minister Anna Soubry admits the EU limits the Government's options: "We have to be very careful because we have these state aid rules".

4. Latest official data shows EU responsible for 72% of UK's steel imports.

5. Today former Minister John Redwood MP states: "The way EU energy, regulatory and procurement policies are enforced in the UK versus the continent allow much more steel to be produced in the rest of the EU than here.".

6. In 2015 Italy's plant produced as much as Bulgaria, Greece, Hungary, Croatia, Slovenia, Romania, and Luxembourg put together. Will the EU allow the UK's steel industry to be saved?

The UK Gets a Raw Deal - Leave the EU for a Fairer Playing Field
[Sources: BBC Today programme 30 Mar 2016 | EU Commission Press releases Jan 2016 | The Guardian 30 Mar | Rt Hon John Redwood MP website ]
Growing UK Jobs & Wages Outside the EU
1. You are twice as likely to be out of a job in the Eurozone than in the UK, says latest job figures from official EU statistics authority.

2. Young Greeks (under 25) are 7 times more likely to be jobless than in Germany. The rate in Greece is now 48.9%.

3. In the last 3 years the UK has created more jobs than the rest of the EU put together. It seems logical that the UK is better than the EU for jobs and will do better still when we’re not being held back.

4. Over 2 million EU migrants now have UK jobs and this is increasing every year. Because of EU ‘free movement’ rules, EU migrants have the automatic right to come and work in the UK. British jobs are increasingly likely to be taken by an EU migrant.

5. In four years’ time the UK will have an extra 1.9 million EU immigrants with NI numbers enabling them to work here legally, according to Government data and assuming current trends.

6. It’s common sense that stopping or slowing the growth in uncontrolled EU migration will mean more jobs for UK workers and will mean that employers can’t continue to keep wages artificially low.

Leave the EU – For More British Jobs and Better British Wages.
[Sources: EU Eurostat official unemployment figures, 2000 – 2015. ONS Employment Tables 2016. DWP: NINo Registrations To Adult Overseas Nationals Entering The UK. Testimony of Lord Rose (Chmn, Britain Stronger in Europe) to Treasury Select Committee, 02 Mar 2016.]
Cost of Benefit Claims From EU Migrants
1. Most people accept that the majority of EU migrants entering the UK come to work, and many contribute much to our country. But how much are EU migrants costing the UK taxpayer purely in benefits payments?

2. The answer is simple : £3.4 billion in the year 2013/2014. This is the latest official figure from the Dept of Work and Pensions.

3. This figure does not include Disability Living Allowance, Carer’s Allowance, Child Benefit or Tax Credits, so the full and accurate figure will be higher than £3.4 billion.

4. EU migrants need an NI number to claim benefits. In the last 12 years, the number of EU migrants with NI numbers has grown by more than 40% per year, so we can expect much higher bills every year if we stay in. The only way to stop this is to stop ‘free movement’ – and to do that we have to leave the EU.

Leaving the EU – The Safer Economic Choice For The British People.
[Sources: DWP Benefits Report Feb 2016. ONS Report on National Insurance number allocations to adult overseas nationals to December 2015.]
Do We Owe Our Rights To Our EU Membership?
1. The UK was legislating for employee protection and anti-discrimination rights long before we joined the EEC/EU.

2. There are literally hundreds of examples, including:-
Disabled Persons (Employment) Act 1958, Tribunals and Inquiries Act 1971, Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act 1970, Clean Air Act, Factories Act 1961, Trade Union Act 1964, Agricultural Wages Act 1948, Industry Act 1972, Equal Pay Act 1970, Sex Discrimination Act 1975, Race Relations Acts 1965 and 1968.

All of these were initiated by the UK government.

3. Even after joining the EEC/EU, the UK continued to make its own legislation on these protections and rights until Tony Blair removed the UK's veto on the EU's 'Social Chapter' in 1997. Since then our employment rights law has been decided in Brussels by people you can't elect.

If the UK leaves the EU, the British people will once again be free to elect or throw out governments which can enact legislation in the best interests of British people.
[Sources: UK Statute Law Database: http://www.legislation.gov.uk ]
Employees In EU Countries Suffer, According To International Labour Organisation
1. The International Labour Organisation (ILO) has shown that collective bargaining rights in many EU countries have suffered over last 8 years since 2008.

2. "The sharpest decline in collective bargaining occurred in the group of European countries that suffered severe economic difficulties during the crisis. The programs accompanying the loan packages of the IMF, European Central Bank and European Union often required changes in wage setting." (ILO)

3. The 'bargaining coverage' rate for this group of 10 countries fell by an average 21 per cent.

4. The UK is currently doing well - a growth rate double that of the Eurozone - but imagine if we fall on harder times? Will the UK then be forced by the EU to accept worse labour conditions?

When billions are at stake, does the EU act for workers or the IMF and international banks?
[Sources: International Labour Organisation 'Issues Brief October 2015'. ILO Industrial Relations Database: http://www.ilo.org/ilostat/ ]
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