If you’re bored with this, imagine how Joe and Jane Public feel?

Nevertheless we look at one positive from last night’s Parliamentary shambles

Boris got over the line with Labour votes

Sometimes even the team at Brexit Facts4EU.Org gets fed up, so goodness knows what Joe and Jane Public think. We’re talking about ordinary people who don’t eat, breathe and sleep Brexit.

If you are reading this you are one of the tens of thousands of our readers who are engaged in securing Brexit and independence for the United Kingdom. Thank heavens for you all.

Nonetheless we all know that most of the public don’t have time for the daily – or even the weekly – ins and outs of this tortuous Brexit process. For many, they will watch the news today and say to themselves “What a surprise, Brexit delayed again.”

Instead of wasting hours on last night’s continuing shenanigans in the House of Commons, we will just make one positive observation.

More Labour MPs are starting to back a form of Brexit

Regular readers will know that we have long focused on MPs as being the blockage to Brexit. People can sign as many petitions as they like but these make no difference. What matters is threatening MPs’ jobs.

This is why we started our letters (not emails) campaign directed at Remainer MPs in Leave constituencies. Last night there was an indication that some Labour MPs are starting to think about the next General Election.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org Summary

19 Labour MPs voted for the new EU Withdrawal Agreement Bill

5 Labour MPs voted for the programme to pass the EU Withdrawal Agreement Bill quickly

The Prime Minister would have lost the first vote without Labour rebels

If the 19 Labour MPs who voted for the new Withdrawal Agreement Bill followed Jeremy Corbyn’s instructions and had followed the Labour whip, Mr Johnson would have lost by eight votes.

Let’s not get too excited

Does this mean all the 19 Labour MPs who voted for the new Withdrawal Agreement Bill now believe in Brexit? Of course not. Some voted thoroughly disingenuously, planning to try to re-impose the Customs Union and Single Market during the Committee stage of the Bill which was planned for today.

What it does mean is that they can now claim to their Leave-voting constituents that they ‘backed Brexit’.

We do, however, sense an increasing mood amongst Labour MPs in staunchly Leave areas that they need to start thinking of their electoral prospects.

Finally, what of the proposed Withdrawal Treaty itself?

Our views on this have not changed.

We will continue to prepare the next two one-pagers in our ‘Brexit Fightback Initiative’. Whatever happens in the coming days and weeks, MPs and the public must have some simple, up-to-date, and easily-digestible facts about Brexit. Our one-pagers do this, using official and incontrovertible facts, most of which come from the EU Commission itself.

We also continue to work with other Brexit organisations, even though some now have different views on the best way to achieve Brexit.

Apologies for being as boring as Parliament, but we must ask readers something again. We desperately need to apply more resources to this fight. We can bring more resource back in, but we need funding to do so. Quick and secure donation options are below this article, as ever. Thank you to those readers who have contributed in recent days and weeks.

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Brexit Facts4EU.Org, 23 Oct 2019

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Reader Comments 7

1. Deeply concerned , Wednesday, October 23, 2019, 06:15:

An excellent point as always by your team which I think very highly of and recommend to anyone to follow daily.
Anyone could be forgiven for thinking this is just about normal politics, but there are so many things going wrong in these 'negotiations'.
The biggest laugh of all, is that we are supposedly leaving the EU but signing yet another treaty!
No deal was, is and will forever be the only deal that makes sense and which equates to the leave vote of the 2016 referndum. Any trade deals made after that to facilitate German car manufacturers in particular would happen very soon after a no-deal exit. (The market for them is too big to lose).
Nigel Farage on his own would have made a better deal than the whole establishment as he has the country at heart contrary to the remoanian establishment.

2. Not4EU●, London , Wednesday, October 23, 2019, 07:27:

There appears to be only one, yes only one, truely honest Democrat in the House of Clowns. That is the honourable Kate Hoey. She abstained on the abominable surrender Treaty though her stance is against it but did not vote for delay. What a pity that the rest continue to play or are forced to play political games, for whatever reason, showing what a shower of **** they all are & how overdue a reset is. Boris' end comment, to leave with THIS 'deal', shows the end intention of the Govt IS not to leave but submit & surrender our country to a foreign power. Still using words like 'deal' when it is a Treaty is disingenuous. We DO NOT have to have another Treaty handing back control to leave. Stop trying to con the electorate. You either believe in democracy or you don't. The vote was to LEAVE. It really is that simple. Don't kid yourselves that this surrender Treaty will win you a resounding success at a GE. That will only happen if we leave cleanly.
Meanwhile, dear other EU 27 prisoners, the EU appears to be deciding to act on a 'letter' for an extension which clearly and publicly has been shown to be forced & therefore under duress. The EU-aided proscribed wording actually prevents the Executive from performing their function, to govern. Article 51 of the Vienna Convention anyone? Any of your leaders that would agree to such an obvious anti-democratic & totalitarian move shows their true face to you & that they no longer run an independent country, as it does with the true intent of the EU. Can you see what it is yet? Can you see your future?

3. Sydney Ashurst , Wednesday, October 23, 2019, 07:44:

That Boris's Bill, the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Bill passed its second reading is a milestone.
The BBC tried to downplay it because the timetable did not pass.
A reminder the Benn Act passed through the Commons in just one day.
If the EU Council want to avoid the no agreement default they have to grant a THIRD extension as requested by the Benn Act. Its purpose to carry on negotiating.
What terms do they attach, with the Cooper-Letwin Act it was extra time to ratify the WA, not to reopen it.,
Article 50 paragraph 3, 'extend this period' has been stretched beyond braking point.
No doubt at the next reading the opposition will attempt to amend the Bill. To what purpose, the change is unlikely to be agreed by the Commission. The Benn extension will have been granted for no purpose.
The BBC's correspondents appear to be the fountain of information, and Katya Adler reports negotiations with Brussels are at an end.

4. Catherine, Dollar , Wednesday, October 23, 2019, 08:13:

Apparently there is something called the "Nandy ratio" - not a ratio, really, just the number of Labour MPs who vote for Brexit in one vote to pretend to constituents that they are voting for Brexit, then use their other votes to stop it.
The government is now spinning that the proposed WA has been passed by a vote in the Commons. It wasn't. It was a vote on a second reading of the implementation bill. True, it is very close to a vote on the WA, but I suspect a couple of MPs who voted for the 2nd reading would be hard pushed to vote for the WA itself.

5. L Jones , Wednesday, October 23, 2019, 08:27:

Comment 4: See John Redwood's blog today. He is one of those who voted for the second reading, but he is most definitely for leaving without a treaty.
Comment 2: Absolutely right. We never did need any kind of deal or treaty, trade or otherwise, in order to escape the poisonous tentacles of the EU. We are being bamboozled, cheated and insulted. Smoke and mirrors.

6. Sydney Ashurst , Wednesday, October 23, 2019, 10:37:

The Bill has been paused, not pulled. That means the Government can choose to continue with a different timetable.
Their decision rather depends on the length of the extension.
Macron is for a short extension. “It is up to the British parliament to examine the Withdrawal Agreement as soon as possible. We will see at the end of the week if a purely technical extension of a few days is necessary, to finish this parliamentary procedure,” said a spokesperson for the French President last night. “But outside these circumstances, an extension to buy time or to discuss the agreement again is excluded. We have reached a deal, and now it must be implemented without delay.”
Parliament is still staring at a shotgun with one barrel loaded.
Amendments to the Bill will not change the deal the French have agreed to, no matter how long Parliament procrastinates. At the end of any extension before a G.E. a default no deal will apply.

7. James Bertram , Wednesday, October 23, 2019, 14:25:

So, whether you agree with this analysis or not, it's not only Brexiteers and the Northern Irish that have noted the Tory treachery - https://www.theguardian.com...

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